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- Hexperience
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2) Playing with DSM2 is a lot of fun, but I wanted to know how confident we are in the DEVO protocol? Was it reverse engineered as well? I don't mind testing out new code, but just want to know so when I go to fly my V120 I might switch back to the official walkera firmware for that one. But if the protocol is 100% rock solid for Devo then I'll just continue to use deViation for the V120 and test for the DSM stuff.
Either way... loads of fun and learning a lot too.
CHEERS!
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The Devo protocol was also reverse engineered, but not in precisely the same way as DSM has been. I'm not going to make claims of reliability, but in my opinion, it is the most stable of the supported protocols. Lots of folks here have been flying 4 and 6 channel helis using the Devo protocol.
The WK2801 is in pretty good shape. Im not aware of any issues with it currently.
The WK2601 protocol still has real issues, and probably isn't really ready to use.
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Now that I have a Walkera Tx I was thinking about trying one of those Rx/FBLs and compare it to the ar7200bx.
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Hexperience wrote: Thanks PB. Have you had any feed back on the RX2702v (or rx2702v-d)?
Now that I have a Walkera Tx I was thinking about trying one of those Rx/FBLs and compare it to the ar7200bx.
Cheers
I have been using a 2702v-d (short antenna) on a 450 pro for 6 months (3 weeks on Deviation) with no problems. But on RCgroups forums there have been lost signal issues reported on 2801 compatible 2702's(with 2801 pro tx, not deviation). Also Wowhobbies (and others) have a long antenna version of the 2702 that is supposed to cure the lock outs.
As far as comparing to the AR7200bx, I doubt you will be impressed with the 2702. I have a Tarot ZYX and I like how it flies better than the 2702. But the 2702 flies really well too.
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I have 2702V RX (2801 pro version).
I flied a lot with 2801 Pro and was very impressed, a great receiver
(and a great TX).
Now I'm porting it to Deviation software, but I have to say that this
software is not very good with 120 degrees shawspaltes, probabily
because a lot of WK have normal (90 degrees mode), so may be 120 is a
little undervalued. The main issue is the unavailability of swashplate mix
control (also cheap radios have it) and another issue is that you loose
fixed id binding.
I've yet to try a flyable setup, and I will keep tou informed how's going on.
Always a great thanks to PB to make this possible.
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Try to apply the 6ch heli template to a new model to see how it looks like.
Click on helicopter on the model config page to select the CCPM type...
BTW I doubt the 2702 needs it...
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but it's not tunable (you can only reverse the action).
On a normal 120 TX (ex. 2801) you have this menu:
SWASHMIX:
-> ELEV 60%
AILE 60%
PIT. 55%
On Deviation is totally missing.
It is almost essential to setup 120 swashplate travels in a correct way.
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I'm sorry FDR but I have to insist, the "scale" value you are referring to,FDR wrote: You can set those limits at the channel 1, 2, and 6 config's scale value, to which the cyclic 1, 2 and 3 are assigned.
alters the curve ending points like altering pitch curve on a normal radio.
In this way you cannot have a full -100 +100 curve but you have to reduce at, let's say -80 +80.
Instead if you have swashmix menu, you set the total travel for pitch, aile and
ele here, and you still have a full -100 +100 curve to play with.
Trust me it's not the same, if you have still doubts please go to helifreak.com
and take a look at bob's video regarding 120 swhashplate setup !
(I have almost 10 years experience with this and I know what I'm saying)
Thanks anyway.
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today we calculate a 120 swash via:
a' = aileron * 60%
e' = elevator * 60%
c' = collective * 60 %
cyc1 = c' - a'
cyc2 = c' + a'/2 + e'
cyc3 = c' + a'/2 - e'
a' = aileron * 55%
e' = elevator * 65%
c' = collective * 60%
However, for fine tuning, that is probably pretty annoying (you'd need to go back and forth between several pages), so adding the ability to directly control the swashmix in one place may make sense. Still I'd want to understand if the above approach would actually do what you want it to.
Also, is there a requirement in a swashmix that the 3 values always add to a constant? I.e. if I increase the collective mix, is it required that either elevator or aileron mix decreases, or can the sum be > 180%?
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The scale value in each virt. channel is what affects the mixing limit for the 3 mixed channels.
You can alter these, but you have to repeat for every mix page (very annoying,
complex and subject to errors) moreover you loose -100 +100 limit curves.
All the normal radios add these offsets BEFORE curves are computed, to keep
always -100 +100 limit curves. I'm not a programmer but I think this effect
is obtained with some simple maths.
Sorry again for the posts length, but If you check how many radios out of 100
have swashmix menu, the answer is 100, so there must be a reason.....
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So I was talking about this: model menu -> click "1-ELE" -> scale (one before last).
PB was rerefering to this too on the virtual channels, which do not have this option yet, but if they would have, that would be identical in function to your swash mix values...
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2 it will bind the swash plate to the point were it wont function properly...
3 in a flybarless heli the responce is much better and 100% travel in not needed...
as i said i could be wrong as many times before...
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FDR wrote:
So I was talking about this: model menu -> click "1-ELE" -> scale (one before last).
Scale on 1,2, and 6 channels only affect single servos travel, totally unuseful to this purpose (it's another matter)
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At the moment your only way is to define one more last complex page to the virtual channels, make it a multiplying one, and set the function to fixed with some value less then or equal to 100%. However this way you can only reduce the channel's value to set the proportions...
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