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						05 Dec 2012 19:05				#3676
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						05 Dec 2012 19:08				#3677
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						05 Dec 2012 19:55		 -  05 Dec 2012 20:24		#3678
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				Hi,
I've reinstalled the Walkera Devo 10 firmware to see how works the swashmix.
It works exactly like the one on the WK2801 , there is no normalization factor.
I really would like to know how work a Spektrum?
To see if there is a renormalization factor it's easy.
On a 120° (or 140°) 3 servos CPPM Heli, configure your swashmix to 10/10/10%, take a look on the TX monitor channel (if any) or on the cyclics servos.
Move the sticks to the limits to determine the Max and the Min values of each cyclic servos (channels on monitor).
Then configure your swashmix to 60/60/60% , and look again to your cyclic servos (channels) Min/Max values. If those values are exactly the same in both configurations, there is a normalization factor.
If Min/Max when swashmix is set to 60/60/60% are higher than when the swashmix is set to 10/10/10% then there is no normalization factor.
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							I've reinstalled the Walkera Devo 10 firmware to see how works the swashmix.
It works exactly like the one on the WK2801 , there is no normalization factor.
I really would like to know how work a Spektrum?
To see if there is a renormalization factor it's easy.
On a 120° (or 140°) 3 servos CPPM Heli, configure your swashmix to 10/10/10%, take a look on the TX monitor channel (if any) or on the cyclics servos.
Move the sticks to the limits to determine the Max and the Min values of each cyclic servos (channels on monitor).
Then configure your swashmix to 60/60/60% , and look again to your cyclic servos (channels) Min/Max values. If those values are exactly the same in both configurations, there is a normalization factor.
If Min/Max when swashmix is set to 60/60/60% are higher than when the swashmix is set to 10/10/10% then there is no normalization factor.
Thanks
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						05 Dec 2012 20:55				#3680
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				Hi
tested now with a spektrum DX8i.
With swashmix 10/10/10 the monitor display +- 9% on the corresponding channels. With swashmix 60/60/60 the Monitor display +- 50 %.
cheers
Graziano
					tested now with a spektrum DX8i.
With swashmix 10/10/10 the monitor display +- 9% on the corresponding channels. With swashmix 60/60/60 the Monitor display +- 50 %.
cheers
Graziano
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						05 Dec 2012 21:18				#3681
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				I'll remove the normalization factor			
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						05 Dec 2012 21:46				#3683
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				Just for confirmation... The Dx6i monitor doesn't display numbers, but it looks very close to the DX8i numbers posted above.			
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						07 Dec 2012 20:32				#3758
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				Hi all
i have build a dfu with the removed normalization factor.
Now the swashmix works very fine!
I have tested only indoor (we have snow in switzerland),
and my T-Rex 250 hoover like a charm !
Thanks' PB !!!
cheers
Graziano
					i have build a dfu with the removed normalization factor.
Now the swashmix works very fine!
I have tested only indoor (we have snow in switzerland),
and my T-Rex 250 hoover like a charm !
Thanks' PB !!!
cheers
Graziano
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						08 Dec 2012 15:27		 -  08 Dec 2012 15:28		#3790
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				Replied by domcars0 on topic Heli 120 Swashmix issue			
			
				Hi,
I don't think that a normalization factor set to 60 (as in latest PB release e3af386 ) is a good value. I think that 100 is much better.
I will try to explain (again sorry for frenglish).
Imagine I set my swashmix settings to 50/50/50% ... No I push the ELE stick
full forward. How will move my servos (if of course I set all curves to 1-1)?
aileron = Model.swashmix[0] * aileron / normalize;
aileron = 50*0/60 = 0
elevator = Model.swashmix[1] * elevator / normalize;
elevator = 50*100/60 = ~80;
collective = Model.swashmix[2] * collective / normalize;
collective = 50*0/60 = 0;
and the ouputs
cyc[0] = collective - elevator = 0 - 80 = -80;
cyc[1] = collective + elevator/2 + aileron = 0 + 40 + 0 = 40;
cyc[2] = collective + elevator/2 - aileron = 0 - 40 + 0 = 40.
I think, this is too much... with this factor the max outputs values will be:
+-160 for ELE , +-200 for COL and AIL ! Remember that, when setting swashmix to 50/50/50% on a WK2801/Devo X the max outputs are +-100 for ELE , +-125 for COL and AIL.
With a normalization factor set to 100 ,the max outputs value will match exactly the WK2801/Devo X values.
							I don't think that a normalization factor set to 60 (as in latest PB release e3af386 ) is a good value. I think that 100 is much better.
I will try to explain (again sorry for frenglish).
Imagine I set my swashmix settings to 50/50/50% ... No I push the ELE stick
full forward. How will move my servos (if of course I set all curves to 1-1)?
aileron = Model.swashmix[0] * aileron / normalize;
aileron = 50*0/60 = 0
elevator = Model.swashmix[1] * elevator / normalize;
elevator = 50*100/60 = ~80;
collective = Model.swashmix[2] * collective / normalize;
collective = 50*0/60 = 0;
and the ouputs
cyc[0] = collective - elevator = 0 - 80 = -80;
cyc[1] = collective + elevator/2 + aileron = 0 + 40 + 0 = 40;
cyc[2] = collective + elevator/2 - aileron = 0 - 40 + 0 = 40.
I think, this is too much... with this factor the max outputs values will be:
+-160 for ELE , +-200 for COL and AIL ! Remember that, when setting swashmix to 50/50/50% on a WK2801/Devo X the max outputs are +-100 for ELE , +-125 for COL and AIL.
With a normalization factor set to 100 ,the max outputs value will match exactly the WK2801/Devo X values.
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						08 Dec 2012 15:54		 -  08 Dec 2012 15:54		#3792
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				yes you are right.  it should have been 100.  I fixed it			
					
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						08 Dec 2012 16:05				#3795
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				Replied by domcars0 on topic Heli 120 Swashmix issue			
			
				Thank you very much!   
			
							 
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