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02 Feb 2014 17:03 - 02 Feb 2014 17:24 #19696 by John-Boy
Can you force a 'RE-INIT" or "BIND" at startup? was created by John-Boy
Hi All,

Setting up my Devo 7e to run my old Walkera 4G3 and 4G6's. During this setup and refurbishing the heli's, I need to turn things on & off multiple times.

I have it setup with the standard GUI, and using the 2801 protocol. I have set the ID to none (the receivers cannot hold an ID) and RE-INIT everytime I power-up the heli.

So, is there a setting where I can power-up the heli, then turn on the 7e and have it do the RE_INIT on power-up without thumbing through all the menus?

Sure would save a bunch of time... ;)

Thanks

John L.
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02 Feb 2014 17:13 - 02 Feb 2014 17:14 #19697 by HappyHarry
Replied by HappyHarry on topic Can you force a 'RE-INIT" or "BIND" at startup?
I'm not sure about the wk* protocols, but devo hubsan and hisky all bind/reinit as soon as the TX is powered on. so surely it is possible to have this
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02 Feb 2014 17:39 #19699 by PhracturedBlue
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any protocol which says 'Re-init' (which includes all Walkera protocols when no fixedid is set) will bind on Tx startup. There should never be a reason to press 'Re-init' after turning the tx on (unless you've changed protocols)

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02 Feb 2014 17:50 - 02 Feb 2014 17:57 #19700 by linux-user
Replied by linux-user on topic Can you force a 'RE-INIT" or "BIND" at startup?

John-Boy wrote: Hi All,
So, is there a setting where I can power-up the heli, then turn on the 7e


Hi John,
you should first turn on the 7e and then power-up the heli ALWAYS!
And switch off the other way.

Other ways there might happen nasty things. Imagine someone in your neighbourhood switching on a Transmitter just before you power on your heli. :oops:
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02 Feb 2014 18:13 - 02 Feb 2014 18:16 #19707 by John-Boy
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Linux-user,

I can appreciate your concern, that's how the older Walkera worked... I wished I could find someone else with a Walkera to share heli's with.... ;)
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02 Feb 2014 18:24 - 02 Feb 2014 18:37 #19710 by John-Boy
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Hi PhracturedBlue,

I have the 2801 protocol selected, id set to 'none' and it does not re-init on power-up.

To bind to properly, the heli has to be 'on' 1st and blinking, then select 're-init' on the radio, 2-4 seconds later the esc beeps and the unit connects, ready to fly.

Remember, these older Walkera recvrs do not store an id so they must bind every powerup.

Thanks

John L.
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02 Feb 2014 18:42 #19713 by PhracturedBlue
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what tx? what version of Deviation?
do you get the 'Binding model' dialog when you turn on your Tx?

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02 Feb 2014 18:53 - 02 Feb 2014 18:53 #19716 by John-Boy
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I have a Devo 7e with 'devo7e-v4.0.1-dec2d0b' firmware loaded.

During power- up the standard Deviation splash comes up, not the Binding count-down screen I see if I do the 're-init'.

Thanks...
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02 Feb 2014 19:49 #19729 by rbe2012
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Do you concern about rebinding when the tx AND heli are powered on or when the tx stays on and the heli is turned off and on again?

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02 Feb 2014 20:37 #19737 by John-Boy
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Both off, cold start. Original Walkera, heli on & blinking, and then turn on 2604 or 2801. The esc beeps, servos center, & radio is bound, ready to fly.

I understand if either is powered down, bind is lost and the proceedure starts over...

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02 Feb 2014 21:20 - 02 Feb 2014 21:24 #19743 by linux-user
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Hi,

I just tried to reproduce this with my Devo10 V4.01
- Changed protocol to WK2801 or WK2601
- TX off
- TX on
Binding MiniCP ...
Press ENT to stop
8...7...6...5 seconds left

So the binding seems to start.
The only difference I could see to Devo protocol was, that there the countdown starts at 11 instead of 8
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02 Feb 2014 21:39 #19747 by John-Boy
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That's just what I need... I wish mind would do that... :(

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02 Feb 2014 21:51 #19749 by linux-user
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I don't have a 7e but according to the manual:
2.2 Upgrade Notes
Note for Devo7e owners only: For Devo7e users, there is an additional step that needs to
be completed every-time after installing the firmware. The firmware also includes a set
of ‘.mod’ files in the protocol directory. The entire protocol directory must be copied to
the transmitter. This must be done each time the firmware is upgraded, otherwise the
firmware will not work properly and an error message will appear when switching the
transmitter on.

Have you done this?
You must do this with the exact same files that came with your firmware - with every upgrade!

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02 Feb 2014 22:41 #19752 by PhracturedBlue
Replied by PhracturedBlue on topic Can you force a 'RE-INIT" or "BIND" at startup?
He would have other issues if he didn't have the right modules. I will check the Devo7e. likely this is devo7e specific. I'll look into it.

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02 Feb 2014 22:59 #19756 by John-Boy
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No other problems, my devo 7e works great.... ;)

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02 Feb 2014 23:30 #19759 by HappyHarry
Replied by HappyHarry on topic Can you force a 'RE-INIT" or "BIND" at startup?
i can confirm on the 7e there is no binding screen upon powering up the tx when the model has any of the wk* protocols selected

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03 Feb 2014 04:28 #19764 by PhracturedBlue
Replied by PhracturedBlue on topic Can you force a 'RE-INIT" or "BIND" at startup?
I think it has something to do with the stick-move code not playing well with the modules. The wk protocols are the only ones with stick-move abort, and I think this is likely where the bug lies. I haven't actually found the smoking gun yet though.

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03 Feb 2014 04:39 #19765 by PhracturedBlue
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And now I've found and fixed the issue. Tonight's nightly should work as intended

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03 Feb 2014 04:57 #19766 by John-Boy
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Sounds great for our Devo 7's!

I also have a Devo 8 and tested it. It attempts to bind when powered-up just as it should. No problems there..

Thanks!

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03 Feb 2014 23:05 #19808 by HappyHarry
Replied by HappyHarry on topic Can you force a 'RE-INIT" or "BIND" at startup?

PhracturedBlue wrote: I think it has something to do with the stick-move code not playing well with the modules. The wk protocols are the only ones with stick-move abort, and I think this is likely where the bug lies. I haven't actually found the smoking gun yet though.


i've just tried the latest code (9686f9e) and it still doesn't bring up the bind screen on boot automatically for any of the WK* protocols,

i can make it happen with WK2601 and WK2401 if i hold the aileron stick hard (mode2) left and keep it there while powering on, but now to make it happen when choosing re-init in the menu i also have to hold the aileron stick hard left.

pressing the bind button in the menu for WK2801 still works as expected but no matter what i try it doesn't appear at power on time

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