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04 Feb 2014 22:41 #19839
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What is the logic of the Move Up and Move Down buttons? I managed to get THR on ch 10 (as seen in the emulator debugging display) and can't seem to move it to another channel by either pressing the MU or MD button.
(Attached is the model ini.)
(Attached is the model ini.)
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05 Feb 2014 06:22 #19852
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One item should be always selected. You can move it up or down with the corresponding buttons.
I have not seen any malfunction in an short test. Please provide some more information (esp. which tx you use and which deviation version).
I have not seen any malfunction in an short test. Please provide some more information (esp. which tx you use and which deviation version).
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05 Feb 2014 12:50 #19856
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I'm using the 4.01 emulator for the Devo 8.
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05 Feb 2014 13:03 #19859
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Ok, I see...
When you scroll down you can find the THRO again, it just walks out of the screen. But this is not wanted (focus should stay on THRO).
Do you know how to file a ticket in bitbucket (see notice at the top of the screen)? If not, I can file it later.
When you scroll down you can find the THRO again, it just walks out of the screen. But this is not wanted (focus should stay on THRO).
Do you know how to file a ticket in bitbucket (see notice at the top of the screen)? If not, I can file it later.
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05 Feb 2014 14:10 #19864
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I'll try to file a bug report later.
One other question: should I be able to map any stick to any output channel by reordering?
Thanks.
One other question: should I be able to map any stick to any output channel by reordering?
Thanks.
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05 Feb 2014 14:20 #19867
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No, you sort the output channels, not the sticks. The assignment of the sticks to the channels is made in the mixer configuration.
Be aware there is a stick named "throttle" (used as input for mixers), a channel named "throttle" (usually the one controlled by the throttle stick) and a receiver output named "throttle" (where the ESC is connected) - the same name in different context means something different (true for all sticks...).
Be aware there is a stick named "throttle" (used as input for mixers), a channel named "throttle" (usually the one controlled by the throttle stick) and a receiver output named "throttle" (where the ESC is connected) - the same name in different context means something different (true for all sticks...).
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05 Feb 2014 21:56 - 05 Feb 2014 21:56 #19898
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OK, that explanation greatly reduced my confusion... actually to the point where I no longer understand what the "bug" is -except that the reorder screen doesn't clearly show which output channel the mixer channel is mapped to. While moving it, I can tell by watching it go down, for example. But then going out of the screen and back in again, there is no indication.
Another thing, which might be only a user problem, is that if a mix channel is moved beyond the number of channels set up in the model setup, it seems to disappear from the mixer screen (and maybe it should?) Apparently, some confusion remains
Another thing, which might be only a user problem, is that if a mix channel is moved beyond the number of channels set up in the model setup, it seems to disappear from the mixer screen (and maybe it should?) Apparently, some confusion remains
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06 Feb 2014 10:44 #19927
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I thought the problem with the reorder screen this is the same as "moving an mix channel"? Can you post a screenshot and point to it?
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06 Feb 2014 23:14 - 06 Feb 2014 23:15 #19950
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I'm not sure if this is a bug or confusion. Attached is a pdf with screen shots.
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07 Feb 2014 00:12 #19954
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John, I get the same results. I was going to post about this but saw you already posted asking about this so I am watching this thread...
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07 Feb 2014 01:44 #19956
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It is working as intended. In your last image, there Is a change. the input source for 1 has changed to 'THR' and the input src for 2 has changed to 'AIL'.
The reorder tool is admittedly very confusing to use because we do not have proper labels for the rows. The reorder screen is using the channel name (i.e. the left-most on the mixer screen) names to identify the positions. But you can't actually rename a row. the 1st row ALWAYS has the same name (defined by the protocol).
So you see '1 - ELE' and you move it to position 4. but youen you get back to the mixer '1 - ELE' is stil on top. However, the original contents of rows 2, 3, and 4 have now moved up one. It might be more obvious if you reassign the inputs before playing with the reordering. assign the 1st 8 channels to use Ch1, Ch2, Ch3, ... a their inputs. This doesn't make any functional sense, but it should show you what happens when you do a reorder.
The reorder tool is admittedly very confusing to use because we do not have proper labels for the rows. The reorder screen is using the channel name (i.e. the left-most on the mixer screen) names to identify the positions. But you can't actually rename a row. the 1st row ALWAYS has the same name (defined by the protocol).
So you see '1 - ELE' and you move it to position 4. but youen you get back to the mixer '1 - ELE' is stil on top. However, the original contents of rows 2, 3, and 4 have now moved up one. It might be more obvious if you reassign the inputs before playing with the reordering. assign the 1st 8 channels to use Ch1, Ch2, Ch3, ... a their inputs. This doesn't make any functional sense, but it should show you what happens when you do a reorder.
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07 Feb 2014 06:14 #19960
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Couldn't we add the controlling input in brackets in the reorder list?
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07 Feb 2014 14:53 - 07 Feb 2014 14:54 #19970
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On the devo8 yes. It is very close on the Devo10 with the regular GUI (remember we need to support it working with translations). We could forgo showing the channel assignment, and instead show:
Ch1 - INPx
Ch2 - INPy
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Or something. I'm not sure it it any more clear. I'm certainly open to try different things though.
Ch1 - INPx
Ch2 - INPy
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Or something. I'm not sure it it any more clear. I'm certainly open to try different things though.
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10 Feb 2014 21:56 #20103
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Thanks for the explanation, PB.
So on the reorder screen, what a user is moving up or moving down (the channels) don't actually move on the mixer screen. Instead, the inputs (and their corresponding templates) move around to get aligned with the channels as if the channels did move and the rows got put back in order again.
Yes, this is confusing.
Instead of using the reorder screen, a user could change the input-to-channel connections in the mixer templates (before any templates are set up.)
So on the reorder screen, what a user is moving up or moving down (the channels) don't actually move on the mixer screen. Instead, the inputs (and their corresponding templates) move around to get aligned with the channels as if the channels did move and the rows got put back in order again.
Yes, this is confusing.
Instead of using the reorder screen, a user could change the input-to-channel connections in the mixer templates (before any templates are set up.)
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