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Mmon77 wrote:
Around 40 USD, it's still very interesting ... coz actually with MM I am not sure that BOM is much lower than 40 USD when you add extra pins headers, extra uFL cables, wires ... it should be close to 35 USD. By the way, If I can order one of this single board, I will do ...
Yes, but to sell the assembled boards, you would also have to add the cost of assembly and FCC certification (at least for sale in the US). So that would change the price accordingly. Unless of course you have the means to assemble one yourself.
It is still an interesting proposition and hopefully it goes somewhere.
True ... the FCC certification can kill the certifation ... Can be produced in North Korea ?
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1 part: ~$40
10 parts: ~$34
100 parts: $28
1000 parts: $23
There are parts I can't get from the same supplier, so those prices could shift around by about $5. Also, I used Digikey as the supplier because it was easy to price that way. They are certainly not the cheapest supplier.
Lastly for the bluetooth version (PWM/JR module) you'd need to add another $10 to the cost
I've been told FCC compliance would run ~$5000 (though I don't know how reliable that number is)
I'm guessing here, but you should assume that anyone who would want to sell these would charge ~2x the BOM cost to make any profit at all.
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considering the low amount of deviation users who need 4 modules and the price I can't see more than 100 being sold. witch would make the price about 130 USD. I can't see it being competitive with the old multi module.
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Whether there is enough interest, I don't know. As I mentioned in my 1st post, this may never come to fruition.
As far as costs go, prices can vary wildly based on supplier. Once you get past ~10 units, the main costs come from the 7 primary chips (below 10 units you pay a huge premium on the passives)
These chips don't get huge price-breaks on the volume were talking about. For the 10 pieces kit from Digikey, I estimated these at about $22
When priced from China, the price appears closer to $10
There are other pieces that could additionally reduce costs. For instance the crystals in the board are around $4/board. From china those would be $1/board instead. Unfortunately for many passives, you take a risk in tolerances as you go cheap, which could result in the board not performing well. This is one of the reasons I need help from RF experts who have experience choosing appropriate parts to balance price and performance.
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Btw if the price is not impacted mutch headers for analog/ digital inputs would make it easy to retrofit old txes with deviation ex to retrofit a 2801pro or as an easyer way to increase flash on a devo7e. On the other hand that might make the board to big to fit into a jr module
Anyways dont mind me Im felling pesemistic
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I wasn't able to fit the headers onto the board, so those are likely to be casualties (only preserving the Bluetooth and Devo ports)
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If I can add 5mm in width and 2 in height, I think everything will fit.
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I got my F072 discovery board in the mail today. I'll need to hack up one of my nrf modules and see if the interrupt is fast enough soon. Probably not this weekend though. Other stuff going on.
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Take a look at quotes at smart-prototyping.com, last time I checked they had an online quote system. I have no assembly experience, but my friend did PCBs with them. I don't remember whether seeedstudio.com have prototyping or not, but they may be interested in doing this anyway, may be on consignment basis.
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I want to finalize the board dimensions before I actually spend the effort to route it. Seeed does PCBA, but only using their stock parts which are larger than what I need. I got an online quote from smart-prototyping, which was ~$1400 to do 5 boards (or $1200 for 1) as I recall. I'll likely shop around more if it comes to that.
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I just recalculated with smart prototyping.com:
I ended up with a price of $55 for one board or $24 each for 5.
That is using their manual service, and the prices seem incredibly low to me. It'll definitely be worth contacting them through once I'm further along.
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djtrance wrote: Hi PB, maybe you can design a better solution than the original tx, maybe you can use a mimo technology. (multi TX and multi RX on the same board). I don't know if the multi tx can be use it in this proyect, because I don't know if you can send the package in the exactly in same time with 2 PA. but if you can do that, the range will be more than only one.
Let's start with a working single board .... It's already very challenging to have a working and efficient design. Reming that PB is doing that with his spare time ... and all deviationTX users are ad vitam grateful for that....
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Here are the eagle files for the circuit as things are. The only placement critical stuff (not in the RF section) is the 1x5header on the left and the 2x5 header in the bottom middle. Anything else is fair game. Also, most pins on the STM32 can be rearranged/reordered to improve congestion. The power pins need to be able to handle 500mA, so wide metal will be needed out of the LD1117. the LD1117 should really remain on the top of the board if possible. Design is being done to OshPark rules, though I'm sticking to 8mil traces where possible (dru file is included).
Anyhow, I'm taking a break for a little while. Feel free to have at it if you have the inclination, time, and skill.
BTW, I am working with some folks who have RF design experience who can possibly bring this to market (and will likely end up doing their own layout of the board). However, I have no commitment that will come to pass, so doing the design myself is a hedge against that progress.
Edit: Removed old version. See below
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There is still a lot of optimization to do (as well as the RF matching). I also need to re-verify the schematic since I moved everything around. Still, I'm glad I was able to get it all done in 2 layers.
Edit: See below for updated eagle files with the brd file
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