Eachine CG023 protocols - what are they?

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14 Jun 2015 12:19 #34053 by Durete
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Doesn't bind :(

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14 Jun 2015 12:20 #34054 by goebish
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ok, I probably missed something ... I'll try myself on the 3D X4 before asking others to test ;)

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14 Jun 2015 12:21 #34055 by Durete
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Don't worry. I'm glad to help as possible :)

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19 Jun 2015 11:55 #34353 by Durete
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Just finished testing this protocol using the 7e from a colleague. Hi is using the pulled nRF module from his JXD 385 Quadcopter. This module has PA, unfortunately the main RF chip is glued and We can't see the model.
The protocol works rock solid, not any single delay. Simply perfect.
Now is very clear there are any incompatibility with nRF modules from Banggood or a bad batch.
I ordered some days ago an spare nRF module just in case I need it, and will exchange with my installed nRF module.
I am seeing last weeks some threads with delayed commands, always related with nRF protocols.
Do you think this reports could be related with our issue?

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19 Jun 2015 12:10 - 19 Jun 2015 12:11 #34354 by goebish
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I've no idea, but that's strange that this issue only exists with the YD, not the CG023 or 3D X4.
Maybe the issue is with the RX, first the antenna length was not good (24 mm instead of 31 !) and perhaps they are using a crap oscillator on the xn297 or something like that ?

Looks like the issue only happens with higher power outputs ?
Last edit: 19 Jun 2015 12:11 by goebish.

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19 Jun 2015 12:15 #34355 by Durete
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goebish wrote: Looks like the issue only happens with higher power outputs ?

Not really, after a bunch of tests, can't find a pattern related with anything.

Since my colleague has a CG023, I will test my Devo 7e with his CG023 next monday.
Maybe my Devo has problems even with the CG023...
Will report ASAP.

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19 Jun 2015 13:43 - 19 Jun 2015 14:09 #34360 by goebish
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Ok, did some tests with :

- 1 JXD JD-388 (nRF24L01, V202 protocol)
- 1 WLToys V272 (nRF24L01, V202 protocol)
- 1 blue board CX10 (XN297, CX10-A protocol)
- 1 EAchine 3D X4 (XN297, CG023 protocol)



And 3 DIY nRF24L01 PPM modules:
(I'm using a Duemilanove in the picture above because I'm running out of pro mini :p)



#1: simple $0.99 nRF24L01 breakout board (ebay)
#2: nRF24L01+PA+LNA w/ IPX connector from banggood (most commonly used in Devos ?)
#3: nRF24L01+PA+LNA w/ SMA connector from ebay

I'm using maximum RF power on all modules ( firmware ).

Results:

module #1 (no PA+LNA) is working perfectly with all 4 aircrafts
module #2 (PA+LNA, IPX) is working perfectly with JD-388 and V272, not so well with 3D X4 and CX10, there's a ton of hiccups and/or delays, it's almost unflyable !!! Sounds like it is the same behavior you have !
module #3: same as #2

Conclusion:

There's an issue with XN297 emulation, but only at higher power outputs.

victzh, if you're reading, perhaps you've an explanation ?
Last edit: 19 Jun 2015 14:09 by goebish.

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19 Jun 2015 13:45 #34361 by vasiliy_gr
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I have problem only with YD, no problems with cg023/3d x4 (never at all - I flew both much last several weeks). Do not see any reasonable pattern related to power output level.

With this very module I had sometimes problems with delays together with v272... But only when it had low battery level on v272 side. But they looked exactly the same - quad lost commands for several tenths of second. And I explained it to myself with low qualite of its antenna (it has the same problems with stock v2x2 TX-s - more seldom).

As for this module's stock antenna - I do not use it. I replaced it with antenna of 2.4 wifi router.

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19 Jun 2015 13:50 - 19 Jun 2015 13:54 #34362 by goebish
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I'm coming back on what I said, the hiccups and delays with the PA+LNA modules were because I was powering everything from my crappy USB, the problem is gone if I power up everything from a good battery ... (but that's still strange I only had issues with xn297 aircrafts, not nrf24l01 ones, maybe the xn297 chip requires a "cleaner" rf signal ?)

So, maybe the idea of replacing the 3.3V reg for a better one is still a good idea to try ...
Last edit: 19 Jun 2015 13:54 by goebish.

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19 Jun 2015 16:16 #34369 by Durete
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I'm pretty confident is not a power issue ;)
According my scope samples my 3.3V output is totally clean and rock solid.

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20 Jun 2015 01:40 #34390 by victzh
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Are these protocols two-way? If so, it can be the chip can't switch to receiving fast enough, or receiving path is somewhat broken. It would be interesting to check your defective boards with native, not emulated, bidirectional protocol.

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20 Jun 2015 02:00 #34391 by goebish
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No, this protocol is TX only, and it looks like the issue is only with the YD-829.

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23 Jun 2015 12:20 #34555 by Durete
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Just tested my colleague's CG023 using my Devo 7e.
Not problem at all, the protocol is rock solid and without any delay at controls.
Will report again when I receive my spare nRF module and tested it...

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24 Jun 2015 12:21 #34590 by Durete
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Just added an EMI shield to my nRF module hopping to minimize the RF garbage emitted.





Will report in a few hours.
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24 Jun 2015 14:23 #34591 by Durete
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Tested. The shield doesn't make any difference (or very little noticeable). The communication delays remains, but anyway I think is not a bad idea to shield the module so I will continue using it.
I'm not RF expert, so I could be wrong about shield the module.
Thoughts?

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24 Jun 2015 15:06 #34592 by Alias_Hendrik
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Durete wrote: Tested. The shield doesn't make any difference (or very little noticeable). The communication delays remains, but anyway I think is not a bad idea to shield the module so I will continue using it.
I'm not RF expert, so I could be wrong about shield the module.
Thoughts?


I'm also no RF expert at all but I would also leave the shield in place. Shielded is better in my opinion.
You have the same module as i have... Perhaps one thing I can think of, is your NRF antenna together with the original Devo antenna? I doubt it will actually matter for the problem but you never now. I have placed an antenna connector on the Devo for separate antenne for the NRF. I don't like them close in one housing because of reflection, and influence on SWR. Does your colleague at work has his antennas separated?

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24 Jun 2015 16:44 #34603 by Durete
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Hi Alias.
You can't see at my photo, but I have my nRF antenna outside the case using an RP-SMA connector. :)
My colleague's Devo has his antennas a lot worse than me, because he has his nRF and CYRF antennas inside the stock plastic tubing :P
The main difference IMO between my Devo and my colleague's Devo, he is using an nRF module pulled from an RTF model (JXD 385), probably using a Beken chip instead an Nordic nRF24l01+.

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25 Jun 2015 00:53 #34607 by IKKI
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Good evening everyone, and first of all, sorry for my english.
I'm Italian and tonight I ran for the first time my Devo 7e.
Unfortunately the first test I did just the cg031 X4 or 3D, but I always found problems jaw.
Similar to this flaw with the original controller, can anyone help?



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25 Jun 2015 05:05 - 25 Jun 2015 05:06 #34614 by Durete
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Hi Ikki.
Your problem is related with the Quadcopter itself. DeviationTX can't help you to solve a faulty quadcopter.
I know your problem because I colleague has the same problem as you in his CG023. Seems to be a big batch of CG023/CG031/3D X4 quadcopters with problems at the Gyro sensor, and this problem can't be solved with a better transmitter ;) .
Last edit: 25 Jun 2015 05:06 by Durete. Reason: Typo

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25 Jun 2015 09:33 - 25 Jun 2015 09:35 #34624 by IKKI
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But if I make the connection procedure, slowly, the gyro is not from these problems. I mean, just slowing the rate of mating, I eliminate that problem. So is not it just unresolvable.


Also I installed the firmware to try the nightly for CG023, you say that there is an easier way?
Having installed all just yesterday I have yet to understand how it works Deviation
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