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22 Dec 2013 11:14 #16921
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Advice from the Spektrum/DSM2 users please.
This is the first time I am using the DSM2/DSMX protocol in Deviation.
I bind with an AR600 in DSM2 mode and and it worked as expected.
I did two flights with no problem , except I have to rebind with the Bind plug every time after I switched the TX Off.
I do the binding as in the AR600 Manual: Bind plug in the port, power on, fast flicker, Bind with a 6 Digit code, Led goes solid and I have full control after which I remove the Bind plug and fly.
If I recycle power on the TX, I have to go through the Bind process again, as if the Deviation generates a new binding code after power on.
What am I doing wrong?
Using Devo8s with latest Deviation build from Bitbucket)
Advice from the Spektrum/DSM2 users please.
This is the first time I am using the DSM2/DSMX protocol in Deviation.
I bind with an AR600 in DSM2 mode and and it worked as expected.
I did two flights with no problem , except I have to rebind with the Bind plug every time after I switched the TX Off.
I do the binding as in the AR600 Manual: Bind plug in the port, power on, fast flicker, Bind with a 6 Digit code, Led goes solid and I have full control after which I remove the Bind plug and fly.
If I recycle power on the TX, I have to go through the Bind process again, as if the Deviation generates a new binding code after power on.
What am I doing wrong?
Using Devo8s with latest Deviation build from Bitbucket)
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22 Dec 2013 11:43 - 22 Dec 2013 12:09 #16922
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Replied by vlad_vy on topic Advice please - DSM2 Binding with AR600
Can you try power on Rx several times? Two or three times.
Or change protocol to DSMX.
I have observation that DSMX receivers not always bind from first power on with DSM2 protocol.
Or change protocol to DSMX.
I have observation that DSMX receivers not always bind from first power on with DSM2 protocol.
Last edit: 22 Dec 2013 12:09 by vlad_vy.
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22 Dec 2013 12:33 #16923
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Replied by RandMental on topic Advice please - DSM2 Binding with AR600
Thanks Vlad
The AR600 is a DSM2 only receiver, 6 channels. I can get it to bind the first time without a problem, every time.
The receiver "remember" the bind code as it should. If I switch the receiver off and on, it comes up with a slow flicker (brownout Detected) and reconnect to the TX. This I can do many times, with a short off-time and long RX off-time, without losing the bind and reconnection.
BUT - when I switch the TX OFF and ON, and then power the RX, the RX LED stays off and no re-connection occurs.
The Bind code is the same and any changes to the model are saved - TX is on the charger to ensure sufficient voltage for the Models to be saved and reloaded.
To me it seems the Deviation does not "remember" the bind code and/or the two 2.4g channels that were used.
The AR600 is a DSM2 only receiver, 6 channels. I can get it to bind the first time without a problem, every time.
The receiver "remember" the bind code as it should. If I switch the receiver off and on, it comes up with a slow flicker (brownout Detected) and reconnect to the TX. This I can do many times, with a short off-time and long RX off-time, without losing the bind and reconnection.
BUT - when I switch the TX OFF and ON, and then power the RX, the RX LED stays off and no re-connection occurs.
The Bind code is the same and any changes to the model are saved - TX is on the charger to ensure sufficient voltage for the Models to be saved and reloaded.
To me it seems the Deviation does not "remember" the bind code and/or the two 2.4g channels that were used.
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22 Dec 2013 12:40 #16924
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Replied by RandMental on topic Advice please - DSM2/X Binding with AR600
Changing to DSMX has only one change - the AR600 don show the brown-out connection but gives a solid LED when re-powered.
However when the TX is powered on and off, same as with DSM2, NO connection and all LEDs off on the RX.
However when the TX is powered on and off, same as with DSM2, NO connection and all LEDs off on the RX.
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22 Dec 2013 16:25 #16926
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Replied by vlad_vy on topic Advice please - DSM2 Binding with AR600
I have not any problems with all my DSM2 and DSMX receivers. When I repower Tx they bind over again.
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22 Dec 2013 21:26 - 22 Dec 2013 21:26 #16931
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I have no idea what is could be the reason for this behaviour, it does the same with an Align 3GX with a Spektrum DSMX sat receiver.
Please let me know what bind code you use and how many channels - lets see if I duplicate your setup. Or even better, please post me one of your DSM2/X models
For now I have replaced the AR600 with a Devo10 and are flying with the original Devention 8s firmware (which works 100% and rebinds immediately so there is no HW issue.) I cannot risk a Deviation problem causing a crash.
Please let me know what bind code you use and how many channels - lets see if I duplicate your setup. Or even better, please post me one of your DSM2/X models
For now I have replaced the AR600 with a Devo10 and are flying with the original Devention 8s firmware (which works 100% and rebinds immediately so there is no HW issue.) I cannot risk a Deviation problem causing a crash.
Last edit: 22 Dec 2013 21:26 by RandMental.
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22 Dec 2013 22:15 #16932
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Replied by kreidler on topic Advice please - DSM2 Binding with AR600
I am not sure that might be a stupid question: Do you powered off the Tx also?
I do have Spektrum bricks without bind plug and orangeRx receivers only. But in any case I always do a shutdown after binding. The German manual of the AR600 do have a different translation to the English version: They write to remove the bind plug before power off the Tx (without to mention that the Rx should be powered off also). I use the fixed ID with all Rx without any problems while repowering.
I do have Spektrum bricks without bind plug and orangeRx receivers only. But in any case I always do a shutdown after binding. The German manual of the AR600 do have a different translation to the English version: They write to remove the bind plug before power off the Tx (without to mention that the Rx should be powered off also). I use the fixed ID with all Rx without any problems while repowering.
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22 Dec 2013 23:38 #16936
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I have tried all combinations of power off before and after the Bind plug is removed etc, with no luck.
I have also reloaded the file system to make sure my model.ini files are the latest and had not been corrupted by new firmware releases. I started a new 6 channel Plane model with DSM2 and 6 channels, unfortunately it gives me the same results on both the AR600 DSM2 6ch receiver and a 3GX heli FBL Gyro with a Spektrum sat receiver.
I am out of ideas, will do some more tests tomorrow
I have also reloaded the file system to make sure my model.ini files are the latest and had not been corrupted by new firmware releases. I started a new 6 channel Plane model with DSM2 and 6 channels, unfortunately it gives me the same results on both the AR600 DSM2 6ch receiver and a 3GX heli FBL Gyro with a Spektrum sat receiver.
I am out of ideas, will do some more tests tomorrow
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23 Dec 2013 02:06 - 23 Dec 2013 02:27 #16939
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Replied by Pattaya01 on topic Advice please - DSM2 Binding with AR600
On some of my models, I also use DSM2, without a problem. After reading your post, I tried this:
AR6100e:
Using default binding code 123456 doesn't work and shows what you described. After I changed it to something else, it did work fine.
AR9000:
Haven tried using the default binding code, but I am using it with another binding code for a while, no problems as you described.
So maybe you are using the default binding code?
AR6100e:
Using default binding code 123456 doesn't work and shows what you described. After I changed it to something else, it did work fine.
AR9000:
Haven tried using the default binding code, but I am using it with another binding code for a while, no problems as you described.
So maybe you are using the default binding code?
Last edit: 23 Dec 2013 02:27 by Pattaya01.
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23 Dec 2013 15:39 #16943
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Hi Pat
It is already a concern if certain bind codes don't work without an explanation.
It took the receiver to the LHS this morning where we tested it with a DX4e, it worked perfectly, so I am sure there is no problem with the receiver.
Thus back to Deviation. I have found a bind code that seems to work - will test it over the next day or two.
It is already a concern if certain bind codes don't work without an explanation.
It took the receiver to the LHS this morning where we tested it with a DX4e, it worked perfectly, so I am sure there is no problem with the receiver.
Thus back to Deviation. I have found a bind code that seems to work - will test it over the next day or two.
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24 Dec 2013 00:19 #16953
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Fully agree with you. I was also surprised. I will file a bugreport for this.
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24 Dec 2013 00:36 #16956
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I have no idea how to resolve this.
The modelid is XORed with your transceiver ID, so everyone will get a different result (this means that 2 tx using the same modelid will not interfere)
It also implies that some combination of model ids are illegal, but i have no way to find out what the pattern is.
I've never seen this issue with my Tx, but I only have one official Rx (6200) and the rest are Orange (which probably don't care as much)
The modelid is XORed with your transceiver ID, so everyone will get a different result (this means that 2 tx using the same modelid will not interfere)
It also implies that some combination of model ids are illegal, but i have no way to find out what the pattern is.
I've never seen this issue with my Tx, but I only have one official Rx (6200) and the rest are Orange (which probably don't care as much)
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24 Dec 2013 01:14 #16958
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As far as I can see, I only noticed it with the default binding code 123456. Could it be that the ASCII code of this string is different? I mean, like characters and not numbers?
I once noticed that on a WiFi access point, using Caps Lock or using the shift key for creating capital letters was not the same. Only when using the shift key, I got connected, using caps lock gave me "wrong access code".
I once noticed that on a WiFi access point, using Caps Lock or using the shift key for creating capital letters was not the same. Only when using the shift key, I got connected, using caps lock gave me "wrong access code".
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24 Dec 2013 01:16 #16959
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No, there is nothing special about the default string.
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24 Dec 2013 01:21 #16960
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Replied by Pattaya01 on topic Advice please - DSM2 Binding with AR600
OK, I ran out of clues. Shall I delete the bug I posted or leave it as it is? I can live with this issue as I never use the default binding code anyway. Maybe a solution would be to make the change of the binding code mandatory.
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24 Dec 2013 02:30 #16964
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No the bug is definitely real. It needs to stay until we get to the bottom of it.. Unfortunately I just don't know how to fix it right now. We'll add a note about this known issue in the documentation.
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28 Dec 2013 08:06 #17256
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Replied by RandMental on topic Advice please - DSM2 Binding with AR600
Problem fixed with commit 81effe3 (Prevent resetting tx.ini ports).
Since this update (27/12/2013) I cannot simulate the problem(s) anymore.
Ticket closed on BitBucket
Since this update (27/12/2013) I cannot simulate the problem(s) anymore.
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