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Complex Mixer with 5 flight modes and emrgncy RTH
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20 Apr 2018 21:18 - 22 Apr 2018 12:34 #68773
by MikeNH
Complex Mixer with 5 flight modes and emrgncy RTH was created by MikeNH
No eBay APP ID défined in Kunena configuration[/ebay]Devo 7e with 4-in-1 module with Deviation devo7e-v5.0.0-860f620
GOAL: 5 position trim (TRIMLV) with FMODE toggle to turn on/off Return To Home (RTF) using channel 5.
Flight Mode (FM) trim positions:
-100 = FM #1
-50 = FM #2
0 = FM #3
50 = FM #4
100 = FM RTH
FMODE toggle
FMODE1 = -100 (FM #1)
FMODE0 = 100 (FM RTH)
The model.ini file is attached.
I've been at this a very long time. I can get the 5 position trim to work nicely. I can get the FMODE switch to toggle RTH on and off (-100/100). I am unable to get this to work using a Complex mixer. Please help.
Thank you in advance.
GOAL: 5 position trim (TRIMLV) with FMODE toggle to turn on/off Return To Home (RTF) using channel 5.
Flight Mode (FM) trim positions:
-100 = FM #1
-50 = FM #2
0 = FM #3
50 = FM #4
100 = FM RTH
FMODE toggle
FMODE1 = -100 (FM #1)
FMODE0 = 100 (FM RTH)
The model.ini file is attached.
I've been at this a very long time. I can get the 5 position trim to work nicely. I can get the FMODE switch to toggle RTH on and off (-100/100). I am unable to get this to work using a Complex mixer. Please help.
Thank you in advance.
Last edit: 22 Apr 2018 12:34 by MikeNH. Reason: Clarification
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22 Apr 2018 16:03 #68794
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Replied by MikeNH on topic SOLVED: Complex Mixer w/5 flt modes & emrgncy RTH
I've been plugging away at this because it could be important to get the quad out of trouble. The way this now works is there are 5 flight modes using channel 5. The modes are -100,-50,0,50,100. The "100" is the Return To Home (RTH) mode.
Regardless of the position of the flight mode switch (TRIMLV), when the RTH switch (FMODE0) is engaged, channel 5 goes to "100" and the flight mode switch has no effect until the RTH switch is disengaged.
I read all the tutorials that I could find and found very few (none) videos that address the Complex Mixer but all are difficult to understand. An explanation of what I understand is to start with the Trim and configure the 5 positions:
[trim1]
src=Ch5
pos=TRIMLV+
neg=TRIMLV-
step=140
value=-100,-100,0,0,0,0
Then assign 2 Mixers to Channel 5 (5-HOLD). The first mixer, Page 1, should not contain a "Switch" (I've read) so I created a 5 point curve:
[channel5]
max=100
scalar-=100
min=-100
template=complex
[mixer]
src=Virt1
dest=Ch5
curvetype=5point
points=0,0,0,0,0
And Page 2 uses FMODE0 and !FMODE1:
[mixer]
src=!FMODE1
dest=Ch5
switch=FMODE0
offset=100
usetrim=0
curvetype=min/max
points=0
QUESTIONS:
- Why should there NOT be a switch assigned to PAGE 1?
- On Page 2 "!FMODE1" appears to be the opposite of "FMODE0". Logic would suggest that the opposite of FMODE0 would be !FMODE0 or even FMODE1.
Again, the Deviation project has been great but programming has been difficult to understand. Any explanation for the above questions would be appreciated. Thank you.
Attached is the model.ini file that successfully implements this behavior.
Regardless of the position of the flight mode switch (TRIMLV), when the RTH switch (FMODE0) is engaged, channel 5 goes to "100" and the flight mode switch has no effect until the RTH switch is disengaged.
I read all the tutorials that I could find and found very few (none) videos that address the Complex Mixer but all are difficult to understand. An explanation of what I understand is to start with the Trim and configure the 5 positions:
[trim1]
src=Ch5
pos=TRIMLV+
neg=TRIMLV-
step=140
value=-100,-100,0,0,0,0
Then assign 2 Mixers to Channel 5 (5-HOLD). The first mixer, Page 1, should not contain a "Switch" (I've read) so I created a 5 point curve:
[channel5]
max=100
scalar-=100
min=-100
template=complex
[mixer]
src=Virt1
dest=Ch5
curvetype=5point
points=0,0,0,0,0
And Page 2 uses FMODE0 and !FMODE1:
[mixer]
src=!FMODE1
dest=Ch5
switch=FMODE0
offset=100
usetrim=0
curvetype=min/max
points=0
QUESTIONS:
- Why should there NOT be a switch assigned to PAGE 1?
- On Page 2 "!FMODE1" appears to be the opposite of "FMODE0". Logic would suggest that the opposite of FMODE0 would be !FMODE0 or even FMODE1.
Again, the Deviation project has been great but programming has been difficult to understand. Any explanation for the above questions would be appreciated. Thank you.
Attached is the model.ini file that successfully implements this behavior.
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23 Apr 2018 16:29 - 23 Apr 2018 16:32 #68805
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Replied by ajtank on topic SOLVED: Complex Mixer w/5 flt modes & emrgncy RTH
The mixer output formula is: M(x) = if(Switch) { Src * Curve * Scale + Offset} else {0} + Trim
So I guess whether a switch is assigned or not does not matter because the trim values will always be added to the mixer output.
"!FMODE1" actually is equivalent to the value of "FMODE0" So it is basically the same no matter you put src=!FMODE1 or scr=FMODE0
So I guess whether a switch is assigned or not does not matter because the trim values will always be added to the mixer output.
"!FMODE1" actually is equivalent to the value of "FMODE0" So it is basically the same no matter you put src=!FMODE1 or scr=FMODE0
Last edit: 23 Apr 2018 16:32 by ajtank.
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23 Apr 2018 19:08 - 23 Apr 2018 19:10 #68813
by MikeNH
Replied by MikeNH on topic Complex Mixer with 5 flight modes and emrgncy RTH
Thank you for the explanation. I did see the formula in the DEVO 7e User Manual but was unclear as to its meaning.
M(x) = if(Switch) { Src * Curve * Scale + Offset} else {0} + Trim
Is this a correct translation:
Complex Mixer Page Number = Formula's result
Formula Explanation:
M = Complex Mixer
x = Page number
Switch = HOLD, FMODE, etc..
Curve=See Curve Editing in the User Manual to assign a numeric value to the curve
Formula translation:
If Switch exists then this Complex Mixer Page equals Src x Curve x Scale plus Offset plus Trim
If Switch does not exist then Complex Mixer Page equals value of Trim
If this interpretation is correct, I'd like to add this to the User Manual for DEVO 7E/10/12E
Thank you
M(x) = if(Switch) { Src * Curve * Scale + Offset} else {0} + Trim
Is this a correct translation:
Complex Mixer Page Number = Formula's result
Formula Explanation:
M = Complex Mixer
x = Page number
Switch = HOLD, FMODE, etc..
Curve=See Curve Editing in the User Manual to assign a numeric value to the curve
Formula translation:
If Switch exists then this Complex Mixer Page equals Src x Curve x Scale plus Offset plus Trim
If Switch does not exist then Complex Mixer Page equals value of Trim
If this interpretation is correct, I'd like to add this to the User Manual for DEVO 7E/10/12E
Thank you
Last edit: 23 Apr 2018 19:10 by MikeNH. Reason: Clarification
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23 Apr 2018 20:05 #68815
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Replied by FDR on topic Complex Mixer with 5 flight modes and emrgncy RTH
FYI the trim part is optional, it can be switched off on the complex mixer page...
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24 Apr 2018 14:20 - 24 Apr 2018 14:21 #68821
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Replied by ajtank on topic Complex Mixer with 5 flight modes and emrgncy RTH
Oh yes your understanding is correct. The formula has listed all the possible components affecting the output but you can choose to drop off any component. For example you can choose not to use a switch then the mixer will always be effective or you put usertrim=0, etc.
I do find the formula clear enough but there are some codes which I do not see in the manual. For example min=x and max=y. Your mixer can jump to 150% after activating RTH but you have restricted the output by specifying max=100 in the model file.
The emulator is a great tool when you work on the mixers. I usually write the model file and test it on the emulator before loading to the radio.
I do find the formula clear enough but there are some codes which I do not see in the manual. For example min=x and max=y. Your mixer can jump to 150% after activating RTH but you have restricted the output by specifying max=100 in the model file.
The emulator is a great tool when you work on the mixers. I usually write the model file and test it on the emulator before loading to the radio.
Last edit: 24 Apr 2018 14:21 by ajtank.
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24 Apr 2018 21:01 #68839
by MikeNH
Replied by MikeNH on topic Complex Mixer with 5 flight modes and emrgncy RTH
Again, thank you for your reply. Although there is still a lot to understand, the explanation of the Mixer formula goes a long way to that understanding.
I was hoping to add this clarification to the User Manual but don't have access.
Thank you for helping me (us) to understand this critically important feature.
I was hoping to add this clarification to the User Manual but don't have access.
Thank you for helping me (us) to understand this critically important feature.
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25 Apr 2018 01:12 #68843
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Replied by ajtank on topic Complex Mixer with 5 flight modes and emrgncy RTH
I just try to explore the potential of Deviation through experiments.
I spent 3 months reading threads before investing on the 4-in1 module and Devo 10. I then spent another month or two looking at the model files created by other users. I have also started learning a bit of coding so that I can understand Deviation better. I am by all means still a learner.
I spent 3 months reading threads before investing on the 4-in1 module and Devo 10. I then spent another month or two looking at the model files created by other users. I have also started learning a bit of coding so that I can understand Deviation better. I am by all means still a learner.
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