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06 Apr 2013 01:08 #8606 by DarkWolf
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PhracturedBlue wrote: going to need a 'universal' module sooner or later to manage this terrible situation.


Put me on the waiting list, if you don't mind. :D :)

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29 Apr 2013 08:47 - 29 Apr 2013 08:53 #9333 by chaosson@gmail.com
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Hello, since you're the only one posting his model for FBL100
I have some troubles with it, I modified it according to have something that work with my Devo7e and HT8 V3.

So for now all is working fine except one things !

AIL is inverted, and when I start to Invert AIL all is starting to change
ELEV become AIL, AIL Become ELEV and Pitch doesn't work anymore ...

So I give my model ini If someone now what I am missing help me.

It's my frst time on deviationtx I need to understant why i can just Invert a channel without messing up entire commands ..

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Edit : and I fogot to mention i'm using deviation 3.0.0
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29 Apr 2013 15:47 #9338 by rbe2012
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I'm not sure about that but I would look at the swashmix. You have
[swash]
type=120
ele_inv=1
ail_inv=1
ail_mix=26
ele_mix=26
col_mix=20
The mix values look strange to me (usually 60-60-60). I think you try to achieve something (like little pitch range) at the wrong place - don't do that in swash, but at the right channel (6?). Also you do some inverting here, what might be necessary, but may cause your trouble.
Also I'm unsure if you need this kind of swashmix for a fbl heli (they need at most "1 servo"). When they do not get the pure values the internal stabilization can not work correctly.
There is a good manual for setting up a fbl heli in the howto-section. Have you read this?
You can also take the 6-ch-heli-template as a starting position.

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29 Apr 2013 18:12 - 29 Apr 2013 18:53 #9340 by chaosson@gmail.com
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I copied what i used in devo FW it is what i used for make it work
In pure devo FW on my devo7e

But if I need to switch to something else I would do it ;)

Edit: yes i saw it and successfully created my own template for the V120d02s
But it seems that FBL100 with HT8 is more difficult to make work
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29 Apr 2013 20:12 - 29 Apr 2013 20:25 #9344 by blackmoon
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FBL 100 needs a swash mix 120, CCPM must be done in the TX.

Not the usual way, mixing done in the RX.

Manual calls for JR :

3 servos 120° Ail 37% Elev 37% PIT 60%

Invert throttle channel all others normal.

For Futaba :

Ail -50% Elev -50% PIT -50%

I don't know if swash mixing on deviation follow the (0-100)*2-100 rule, or if for the swash we stay with the 0-100%.

All channels NORM but Ch 4 Inverted
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29 Apr 2013 22:29 #9352 by chaosson@gmail.com
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Hello, yes it's from the PDF for HT8v3
Putting the JR rules just work fines on the original Devo FW

So i kept those settings in mind on deviationtx 3.0.0
Inversed Ch4 and Ch3(throttle) as if it was not throttle at -100 and RUD inverted ...

But now all control Throttle Pitch RUD Elev are fines only AIL is inverted and as soon as I invert it all other controls are messed up ...

So I tried this afternoon to switch to 1Servo the swash and it was worse

Reverted to my settings but it seems I can't find a way to invert only AIL without having all going wrong ...

If someone had this issue and know how to solve it ...
Maybe it's only on Devo7e and it' is a related bug to it ...

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29 Apr 2013 22:44 #9354 by chaosson@gmail.com
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So I found, if I invert in the TX menu AIL all are upside down
but If I edit model2.ini and remove the line ail_invert=1 under
[swash]
type=120

All is working now fine !!!
Just need to make it more agressive and it's done :D
I'll repost my model.ini after I have what I want !

But after 1 hard day it will be nice to give it for those who have deviationtx 3.0.0 and a devo7e with HT8v3 and I hope it will work with FBL80 !

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30 Apr 2013 06:08 #9366 by stevecox
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Initially I found programming the tx difficult but it turns out its easy now. I think the hardest part in the beginning is unfamiliarity. I can say, battling it out with patience certainly is the best way, you learn more about the tx and what you can implement on other models along the way. I cant say it enough to all involved but kudos to you for creating the software for users like me, hopefully someday I can contribute something useful :-)
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30 Apr 2013 12:47 #9393 by chaosson@gmail.com
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There it is my model.ini for flying the HK FBL100 with HT8 attached to Devo7e

It fit my needs feel free to edit it and make your Own model


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30 Apr 2013 18:06 #9411 by victzh
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So, PhracturedBlue, do you plan to work on HiSky in foreseeable future? If not, I can try to. It uses nRF24L01, and I now familiar with it. I would order HiSky quad with HT8 and try to analyze it. But if it's in the works, I may be do something else.

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30 Apr 2013 18:52 #9414 by Daryoon
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@chaosson
Thank you. Loaded up your latest model.ini and it binds just fine. Interestingly though, my Elevator controls works opposite of what I expect. Pushing ELevator stick forward, the v922 wants to go backwards. Pulling the Elevator stick back, and the v922 flies forward.

I'll try directly editing the model.ini and see if that fixes the problem.

@victzh
PhracturedBlue isn't hacking on the HiSky protocol at the moment. He was concentrating on the SkyArtec. And then I think he wants to do the FrSky implementation.

Let me try to dig up the thread where he mentioned the "E(?)" version of the nRF24L01 that comes with the v922 making it more difficult to snoop.

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30 Apr 2013 19:02 #9416 by victzh
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That's probably not that big of a problem. Someone somewhere was negligent enough to leave the protection open on HiSky-enabled Q-BOT micro. So it's firmware was downloaded and disassembled, which as you can imagine is a great help in reversing the protocol. I'm ordering it now - it will take time to come, though. Also, as I have Mini CP (V922's prototype), I'll order the board of V922 (or FBL100) , which is quite inexpensive.

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30 Apr 2013 19:12 #9417 by Daryoon
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LOL. Yep, I am following the mQbot/FF120 thread with great interest. I do love my qBot. Can't wait till you get yours as well. Then there were be a few smarties putting their collective mind to hack that FC.

@chaosson
On the swash, I changed ele_inv=1 to ele_inv=0. And now get the correct ele movement.

However, the bird feels a little weird in the air. Almost like the swash mix is a little off. Giving ele forward on the stick, and the heli feels like it has some ail mix. Anyways, I'll play with it some more. These are just ramblings by me at the moment. :)

How's it flying for you.

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30 Apr 2013 20:07 #9418 by RandMental
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Daryoon wrote: Yep, I am following the mQbot/FF120 thread with great interest. I do love my qBot.


Hi Daryoon, where can we follow this thread?

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30 Apr 2013 20:16 #9419 by Daryoon
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Here you go. It starts to get good at post #956 where gke manage to connect to the ARM

www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1826018&page=64

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30 Apr 2013 21:46 #9422 by victzh
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Daryoon, if you have Q-BOT, can you look at the board, does it have nRF24LE1 or nRF24L01? I may be was a bit hasty with this. LE is not that easy, it has a MCU inside and if the protocol implemented in there we're screwed a bit.

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01 May 2013 05:22 #9431 by Daryoon
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I don't see any indication of it. Am I looking at the right place? Or are you talking about the transceiver used in the HT-8 module?

Here's a photo of the flight controller.
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01 May 2013 05:46 - 01 May 2013 06:01 #9432 by Daryoon
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I took off the shield covering the chip in the HT-8 module. Here's a photo:

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01 May 2013 06:00 - 01 May 2013 06:01 #9433 by Daryoon
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Here's the bottom of the HT-8. Has pads.


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01 May 2013 06:25 #9435 by victzh
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I see. Thank you, now I know what awaits me as this heli comes to me. Many hours of torture - last time it took me 2 sittings 2 hours each to solder to receiver, this time I see it's even less space than in V202. But, and it's very important, it's Si24R1, which is another clone of nRF24L01 without any MCU's on board, so fully traceable.

For nRF24LE1 in transmitter I couldn't care less - I doubt they forgot to burn fuses (but they did on the receiver, so it makes sense to try!) and I don't have any experience with nRF's 8051.

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