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24 Jul 2015 13:58 #35915 by dc59
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Deal57 wrote: A lot of these boards have test points that we can use instead of the chip pins. Can you post a photo of the board straight on both front and back?


Hi Deal57,
It's good to see you here again,you help me a lot.
Here's X600 receiver board picture:
Front:



Back:



Thanks a lot.
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24 Jul 2015 14:00 #35916 by dc59
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SeByDocKy wrote:

dc59 wrote: Thanks Durete! :cheer:
It's a good idea, if Seby is too busy to do this, I will try to find some soldering expert to help me!



I will try my best but it's true I am very busy... Will start to be better from sunday


That's great Seby, I know you are very busy!
Thanks anyway.

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24 Jul 2015 15:17 #35917 by Deal57
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Wow. This doesn't lookeasy. Examining these photos, I don't see any test points on this board that we can use. CSN and CLK lead to via holes that could be easier to solder, but MOSI and MISO seem to go directly from the XN297 to the FC chip. With these really tiny solder points you would need really good eyes and a really steady touch!

I merged the front and back photos and set the back at 25% opacity so I could see if there were any traces we could use. This illustrates the best results I could get. It is POSSIBLE that there is something underneath the crystal on the back side that is connected to MOSI/MISO but I think it unlikely.



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24 Jul 2015 23:16 #35930 by dc59
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Deal57 wrote: Wow. This doesn't lookeasy. Examining these photos, I don't see any test points on this board that we can use. CSN and CLK lead to via holes that could be easier to solder, but MOSI and MISO seem to go directly from the XN297 to the FC chip. With these really tiny solder points you would need really good eyes and a really steady touch!

I merged the front and back photos and set the back at 25% opacity so I could see if there were any traces we could use. This illustrates the best results I could get. It is POSSIBLE that there is something underneath the crystal on the back side that is connected to MOSI/MISO but I think it unlikely.



Thanks Deal57!
I will check the connection.

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24 Jul 2015 23:19 #35931 by dc59
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Hi hexfet,
My stock TX is fixed, RTH is OK now and I captured SPI here,
www.mediafire.com/download/z2nrzzij24wsjdt
RTH must work in Headless mode!

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27 Jul 2015 00:44 #36108 by hexfet
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Thanks! I've updated the test builds to add RTH control on channel 10. Not sure what it will do if activated without headless mode - probably tilt the quad aft.

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27 Jul 2015 04:14 #36120 by vasiliy_gr
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As far as I understand among those MJX quads/hexes only X600 supports headless/RTH. Am I right or miss something?..

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27 Jul 2015 04:55 #36123 by dc59
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vasiliy_gr wrote: As far as I understand among those MJX quads/hexes only X600 supports headless/RTH. Am I right or miss something?..


I checked MJX China Tmall webstore , those copters support headless & RTH function:
X101
X300C
X400-V2 (I don't know the difference between V1 & V2.)
X600

detail.tmall.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.5-b....erties=1627207:28335

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27 Jul 2015 05:10 #36125 by vasiliy_gr
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Thank you for clarification. My X400 is exactly not V2 as it was purchased in early January. In even does not have connector for MJX's wifi-fpv camera.

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27 Jul 2015 13:11 #36143 by dc59
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hexfet wrote: Thanks! I've updated the test builds to add RTH control on channel 10. Not sure what it will do if activated without headless mode - probably tilt the quad aft.


Test Bulid : b287c66
RTH function works very well ,there is no difference with or without headless activated.
Thanks Hexfet.

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30 Jul 2015 00:29 #36338 by dc59
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Durete wrote: Silently lurking at this thread...
I typed my PayPal password for an MJX X800 as soon I saw Hexfet writing on this thread :P

@Hexfet, are you on holidays? B)


Hi Durete,
Did you get your X800?

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30 Jul 2015 05:19 #36344 by Durete
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Not yet, probably in about 10 days, but probably I will be on vacation ;)

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01 Aug 2015 06:15 - 01 Aug 2015 07:09 #36425 by goophoba
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Wow didn't know the MJX multis could be used with deviation. Awesome, I already have a couple!

*Edit*

Ok, just tried it. It connects great. Not sure if it this info is helpful, but using the same model ini (no fixed ID) for a x400 and x600 the delay is present on the x400, but not the x600. They both try to do a flip as soon as I move the stick but I was holding them so no flights yet (i've yet to set if the model ini properly, perhaps this weekend). Obviously I've only been able to observe the throttle so far.
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01 Aug 2015 16:18 #36435 by hexfet
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Interesting, perhaps they use different rf channels. What's the behavior if you fly the X400 with the X600 stock tx, and vice-versa?

Would you please try changing the "bit test" protocol option and check if it has any effect on the auto-flip behavior?

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03 Aug 2015 01:39 #36497 by goophoba
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Sure, I'll try it tomorrow.

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03 Aug 2015 22:31 - 03 Aug 2015 23:01 #36513 by goophoba
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Alright so I've had a a couple hours to fly. The X 600 I've had for a while and I swear using the Devo makes it fly better, how much better, not much. The X 400 on the other hand, this is my first time actually getting it out to fly (as it just arrived during the week) and it is a bit annoying to fly no matter what transmitter is used.

Stock transmitters:
Both the X 400 and the X 600 stock transmitter being used for either quad produced the same flight results. Although the X 400 transmitter feels like it took a step down in quality when compared to the X 600 transmitter, like it has the usable but rejected parts, but I won't get into that here.

Bit rate:
With the bit rate turned on both quads become very subdued. Also no auto flips. After seeing that I pulled the scale back to 90 but I still got flipping action when I moved the stick too far. Once I put the scale at 88, it flies perfect. An expo of 25 – 35 just made everything better. I suppose I must of been manhandling the stick the other day while trying not to nip my fingers with the blades while holding onto the running quad in my in my hand. Same results with the X 400.

Now the fixed IDs:
The X 600 works great as long as I don't use any fixed ID. As soon as introduce a fixed ID everything just start lagging.Getting a proper bind with a fixed ID is difficult and sometimes just won't happen depending on the ID. Sometimes it seems like it will bind on some random fixed ID, then as soon as I move the stick the lights start flashing and I get no response. I was trying random numbers, mostly various amounts of 1's. I did manage to bind a fixed ID of 1111 once, but only once. The lag for the fixed ID of 1111 was just awful, worse than on ID 13 which seems semi-reliable but still had some amount of lag. It almost seemed like the X 400 on ID 13 had more lag than the X 600 on the ID 13. No other ID showed any noticeable difference to my eyes but then again it was fairly windy so it was difficult to tell what was wind and what was lag. I was mostly relying on differences in yaw response.

X400 annoying roll rate:
I'm just adding this here in case anybody reading this is thinking about buying an X 400 considering we can now use MJX quads with the Devo transmitters. Don't, just don't. Go buy the X 600. The X 400 is slow. When using a stock transmitter or no fixed ID on the devo, the X 400 response time is fine. What is slow is the speed at which it pitches over to one side or the other, the roll. The X 400 takes a considerable amount of time to pitch fully into a angle when asked to compared to the X 600, no matter what transmitter is used. With the X 600, when I move the gimbal, the quad pretty much keeps up with my fingers as far as rolling and pitching. The X 400 takes forever when you compare the two. I got the X 400 stuck in a tree twice today because it needs a considerably larger distance in order to pitch over to preform a stop while moving full speed. Everything else is great but that. It's almost as annoying as a slow yaw. Get a X 600, not a X 400, the X 600 flies better, but it is 2S. Saving grace, I yaw steer more than I roll. Perhaps all that is too harsh and I'm just doing something wrong, but it is a little slow. *Disclosure, my view is skewed: I like a fast response time and sharp quick movements from my RC's. What some people think are fast movements, I tend to prefer*
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03 Aug 2015 23:23 #36515 by Antfurn
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Hi, I just got X900 today and just like goophoba, found TX to be of much worse quality that the ones I've had (the same shape and function) before.

So I loaded up deviation build devo7e-v4.0.1-b287c66 and gave that a go.
I had to set the scaling to 89 for both Ali & Ele to stop the auto flips at the end of the travel.
Other than that I've made no changes to set rates or anything.
I did remove the fixed ID.

Here's my model ini file:

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File Name: model24.ini
File Size:4 KB


Thanks for the test build and great work on all these protocols. Long may it continue...
Antony
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03 Aug 2015 23:36 - 03 Aug 2015 23:40 #36517 by goophoba
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Antfurn wrote: Hi, I just got X900 today and just like goophoba, found TX to be of much worse quality that the ones I've had (the same shape and function) before.


How is the X900? I really like the idea of a super mini X600 for around the house. At that size how's if fly? Slow-ish yaw like a cx10? Can't tell too much in vids.
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04 Aug 2015 00:10 #36519 by Antfurn
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Yes very like the cx10, except the extra weight of the bigger lipo and motors makes for slower climb out :dry:
It's still fun to fly and lots of novelty factor B)

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04 Aug 2015 06:00 #36527 by Zaphod
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Hi guys,

I've just upgraded to the latest nightly release - deviation-devo10-v4.0.1-ef0d76d.zip

Then after reading this thread thought I'd install this - deviation-devo10-v4-0-1-c8a62f7-zip so I can fly my MJX X900.

I have the Bayang protocol but not the MJX protocol. What have I done wrong?

Huge thanks to all you guys developing these protocols! The X900 is the only thing I can't fly right now with my Devo 10!

Thanks

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