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06 Feb 2013 14:51 #6085 by FDR
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Xermalk wrote: Seems the only way might be to remove the diode with a Surgical knife and then somehow bridge it. Either with solder, or some form of electrically conductive glue or paint.


You dont have to revome it, but just short: place a tiny piece of wire on the top of it and add a bit of solder on...

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06 Feb 2013 15:04 - 06 Feb 2013 15:08 #6086 by Xermalk
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FDR wrote:

Xermalk wrote: Seems the only way might be to remove the diode with a Surgical knife and then somehow bridge it. Either with solder, or some form of electrically conductive glue or paint.


You dont have to revome it, but just short: place a tiny piece of wire on the top of it and add a bit of solder on...


I would, but my soldering station isnt made for smd stuff. My soldering tips are huge compared to all the tiny components in here.

I could always put a tiny drop of solder on a needle, and then heat it and bridge the diode. Just need to figure out a way to hold everything inplace.
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06 Feb 2013 15:22 #6087 by PhracturedBlue
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yes, it is important to realize how small the parts in question are. it is not an easy task to work with them without the proper equipment.

I honestly think this is one of those places where conductive paint would work well. Resistance is a non-issue, and you could scrape it off if it doesn't work.

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06 Feb 2013 15:29 #6088 by SadSack
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If you have some kynar wire or Alarm cable you could solder across with that.
Strip a short length but keep enough to hold on to.

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06 Feb 2013 16:00 - 06 Feb 2013 16:00 #6089 by Xermalk
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SadSack wrote: If you have some kynar wire or Alarm cable you could solder across with that.
Strip a short length but keep enough to hold on to.


The issue is still getting the heat down on only the diode. The diode is ~0.5mm wide, most likely less. And theres no room what so ever to the component next to it.

Im actually really worried about unintentionally bridging the diode with the component just below it. If im of even by a fraction ill hit it.
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06 Feb 2013 16:48 #6090 by SadSack
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Make an 'L' shape in wire and heat wire, pre-tin wire and heat wire.
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If you have some old motors or some Mag wire or piano wire or thin'ish copper wire. Bind some to end of your solder iron. If your you make it so its 'U' you can heat both side of diode at once then pinch it with tweezers and lift diode out.
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06 Feb 2013 17:13 - 06 Feb 2013 17:46 #6091 by Xermalk
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There, modification done, at 3 mw power i now have have signal through 2 walls and a floor. At 300uW i seem to have coverage at 4m through a wall.
It is to late however for a proper outdoor range test.

What i did was to take two copper strands from one of the wires inside a rj45 cable. They arent much thicker then 3 strands of hair.

I then added a drop of tin and used the wire strand to hold everything when i fixated it. To unsolder all i have to do is reheat and pull it of.

There is solder + the wire across both ends on the diode but i can easily remove the solder if something is left over with a surgical knife.

The hardest part was holding the iron dead steady to not hit any of the surrounding components.

Ill charge the nikon camera and see if i can get a clear photo of it. My S2 really dislikes focusing on something this small.
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06 Feb 2013 17:15 - 06 Feb 2013 17:16 #6092 by sbstnp
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Xermalk wrote:

SadSack wrote: If you have some kynar wire or Alarm cable you could solder across with that.
Strip a short length but keep enough to hold on to.


The issue is still getting the heat down on only the diode. The diode is ~0.5mm wide, most likely less. And theres no room what so ever to the component next to it.

Im actually really worried about unintentionally bridging the diode with the component just below it. If im of even by a fraction ill hit it.


This is what I use.
www.tme.eu/en/katalog/?art=D-B8

Very small tip, I can solder 0402 packages very easily when using magnification. Never tried smaller though.

It's 12V powered and I use my battery charger's power supply. Order 2-3 replacement tips as well, good to have them handy.

Devo 10 + 4in1
Spektrum Dx9
FrSky Taranis + TBS Crossfire
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06 Feb 2013 17:51 - 06 Feb 2013 17:52 #6093 by Xermalk
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I ussualy dont solder at all. And my only prior smd experience was with my led blades for my 250.

Hence why iv never bothered to get the proper tools for smd soldering.

Anyway pictures attached, had to make sure i actually hadn't shorted the component next to it. But all is ok as theres room for my knife between them.

Removing the bridging might be somewhat difficult though. But as i used leaded solder its melting temperature is lower then the lead free stuff walkera has used, making it much easier. Its the reason i can just heat and lift of most of the solder.

Edit: If anyone asks me to do this again im going to completely refuse, This stuff is just to small for me.
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06 Feb 2013 17:56 #6094 by dehalo
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PhracturedBlue wrote: This is the diode that needs to be shorted:



I haven't tried it yet though, so no guarantees. Worst case is you need to replace it with an 8s module.


Soldering in a $10 8s telemetry module solves the 7E range issue??
Is there something like a wiring diagram?

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06 Feb 2013 19:34 - 06 Feb 2013 20:55 #6095 by Xermalk
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dehalo wrote:

PhracturedBlue wrote: This is the diode that needs to be shorted:



I haven't tried it yet though, so no guarantees. Worst case is you need to replace it with an 8s module.


Soldering in a $10 8s telemetry module solves the 7E range issue??
Is there something like a wiring diagram?


It should work, noone has tested it yet.

Whats the recommended volt level for the low battery alarm? iv have mine set at 4.8v (using 2700mah nimh batterys).

Edit: just did a range test in the dark.

10 mW gives 100M range compared to stock that gave 80m at 150.

150mw seem to give ~150m.
Not quite sure here as i actually ran out of space. Only had the choice of going behind a hill or a building, but the signal wasn't strong enough to pass through my body.

I'll do a 100mw range test tomorrow when it isnt pitch black and bloody freezing.

Regardless, the distance is now fully acceptable for my Master CP.

Edit2: These range tests were done with the shield still off and in a residential area with a couple of wifi routers around.
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06 Feb 2013 22:32 #6101 by PhracturedBlue
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On my devo8, I use 4.0V as the limit with Enerloop NIMH batteries
Works for me.
I did not calibrate the voltage on the 7e, I just reused the Devo8 code figuring that since they both use 4 AAs that they'd be the same. Something else to check I guess.

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07 Feb 2013 00:18 #6103 by RoGuE_StreaK
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PB, if the 8s module were to be added in a similar fashion to the A7105 (using SWD pins), could there be a "simple" way of keeping both the 7E module and the 8s module and toggling between them (power draw mainly) perhaps by having two protocols defined? eg., devo protocol and devo-EXT protocol?

Just wondering if the 7E module needs to be removed due to conflict, or whether they can co-exist. I guess if an 8s module is used you can theoretically just boost or lower the gain on it rather than using the 7E module instead, just thinking of "easier" ways for less experienced hackers to get range mods happening.


Xermalk, looking forward to your findings, your results thus far sound promising.

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07 Feb 2013 00:27 #6104 by PhracturedBlue
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you could do that by wiring the chip-enable to another of the debug port pins, but it would be annoying to support in Deviation. I don't think it is a reasonable solution until there is better transceiver module support in Deviation.

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07 Feb 2013 07:58 #6115 by dc59
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SadSack wrote: dc59

Kinda odd this. I tried using your ini and worked kinda but pitch was upside down. Which was a little odd.
I'm wondering if you have WK servo's installed as they work wrong way round. I had to swap pots wires around when i used HK servos to make them behave like WK servos. Hoping it's not needed anymore to be honest :)


You can try to change pitch to "Reversed"(mixer->ch6->Reverse->"Reversed") then pitch would be correct!
My G-CP is all stock,it works very well with that ini file ~~

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07 Feb 2013 09:57 #6117 by SadSack
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dc59 wrote:

SadSack wrote: dc59

Kinda odd this. I tried using your ini and worked kinda but pitch was upside down. Which was a little odd.
I'm wondering if you have WK servo's installed as they work wrong way round. I had to swap pots wires around when i used HK servos to make them behave like WK servos. Hoping it's not needed anymore to be honest :)


You can try to change pitch to "Reversed"(mixer->ch6->Reverse->"Reversed") then pitch would be correct!
My G-CP is all stock,it works very well with that ini file ~~


I'm getting there slowly and have to say your ini has helped my understanding greatly. I have managed a flight :woohoo: but that mostly showed me i need hardware setting up, never flew it after putting HK servos on. And that's where I'm at finding best way for me to setup heli with deviationtx. I can see why Walkera wanted to drop older protocols in and how much work PB putting in to this, Thanks again.

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07 Feb 2013 12:25 - 07 Feb 2013 12:26 #6118 by Xermalk
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Just updated to the lastest build and noticed that the curve graphs are missing in normal mode.

Also, the battery voltage seems to be of. Its listing my pack as 4.8V when infact its 5.45 according to my multimeter. With the charger connected its listed as 5.3V when it should be around 6V.
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07 Feb 2013 12:50 #6120 by PhracturedBlue
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you need to update your config.ini to get the graphs back.
I'll try to calibrate the devo7e voltage soon.

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07 Feb 2013 17:36 #6130 by Xermalk
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The voltage was somewhat accurate before i updated. Have you changed anything in the past 10-15 updates?

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08 Feb 2013 05:44 - 08 Feb 2013 05:56 #6146 by PhracturedBlue
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I have just calibrated the voltage on the 7e.
The measurement is not accurate below 4V, so I would probably set the critical value somewhere around there.
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