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- SadSack
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Which switch are you using now?
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- PhracturedBlue
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After further experimentation, I'm getting a nice strong signal out of the CYRF, CC2500 and A7105 chips. the NRF is being detected, but I'm not getting any RF out of it. This is he same result I got on the 0.9 board (except the switch now works) , so there is likely either a design issue or a software issue.
The board is also not very consistent, the RF chips do not always initialize on power-up.
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Maybe off topic, out of curiosity, but more and more radios seem to get two tx antennas on the Tx module. I am wondering how it works? Is it diversity, for reception of telemetry back from model?
and if you designing new state of the art concepts, must it also contain 2 antenna?
Here example the cheap flysky i10 opened.
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- PhracturedBlue
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On a receiver you may choose to have 2 antennas and to run them perpendicular to each other to maximize signal strength. On a transmitter I'm unsure what you'd need 2 antenna for. Maybe in a telemetry system you could have dedicated Tx/Rx antennas, or a differential setup, or in the case of video, having a 2nd transceiver. Also, maybe MIMO, though I dunno if it actually makes any sense in RC or not. Short answer is that I'm not an RF expert, and have no idea what benefit they get.
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Dual Diversity Antenna
The DX18 is the first Spektrum transmitter with a “dual diversity” fixed antenna. Aside from being incredibly durable, it’s the first pro-class transmitter antenna to employ the use of both vertical and horizontal antenna arrays. The horizontal array is cleverly housed in the handle on the back of the transmitter and, with the vertical array, virtually eliminates the possibility of polarization blackouts.
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- FDR
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If I remember well it was about the nRF module...
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- PhracturedBlue
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FDR wrote: Are wou aware of the mod somebody made to improve the detection of the modules?
If I remember well it was about the nRF module...
There was a code change I heard about that helped. I thought it was already in the trunk. If there was a physical mod to the board, I didn't hear about that.
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- mwm
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FDR wrote: I was talking about the code change, but I don't know if it is in the trunk...
I know we got at least one such mod into the team trunk.
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Seems like a good time to finish my multimodule.
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- octagon
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Adding a second antenna for receiving RX in full duplex makes sense, but as these chips alternate between TX and RX (TDD) the use of separate RX and TX antennas makes no sense unless separate RF and TX chips are used, which of course would be OK, but is probably not the case.
This leaves the use of two antennae for diversity, which could be OK, especially if the model transmits an RSSI message, which could be used by the TX to decide which antenna to be used.
(Reportedly, external antennae is marketing "requirement" as most people will not buy a TX without something pointy sticking out.)
A 25x25mm ceramic patch antenna (WLP.2450.25.4.A.02) on a 50x50mm ground-plane could also work.
A little bit of gain won't hurt as most people will be facing the model under control.
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- Fernandez
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This antenna has a good wideband match, I have it aligned horizontally.
Many of the small NRF modules use a "folded" j-pole, I use just the non folded.
like this one;
www.dx.com/p/repair-parts-replacement-in...i-32562#.VQ7oHsstFtY
Should be no reason not to implement pcb antenna, as long as the pcb antenna stays clear, un obstructed.
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- PhracturedBlue
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Anyhow, progress is being made, just slower than I'd have liked.
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- octagon
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Thanks for the update.
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- PhracturedBlue
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Oh well, that should be fast enough. I just need to optimize the ISR because it is taking way too long to process switching commands. I really expect the utx to be faster than the multi-module, but even with the higher clock rate, the ARM instructions are not as efficient as the AVR for I/O
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A thought has been kicking around since your post a week ago (#29717) in regards to potential sale/purchase of a universal transmitter once development and testing is complete. Referencing your comments about FCC regulations, and the fairly strict rules against selling ‘unlicensed transmitters’, I’m wondering where that line exactly is... In other words, how much of a ‘mostly assembled’ board could be sold, purely as a ‘hobby item’, before it becomes an ‘unlicensed transmitter’? Could enough of a board be manufactured and sold as a ‘hobbyist kit’ where a marginally (and I do mean marginally) skilled person could complete the final assembly?
I’m hoping there is some middle ground between a low likelihood of success if I were to attempt to place and solder all of the components, and the complete pain of FCC certification of a commercial product.
Either way, whether my thoughts are completely off track or not, your progress and success is definitely awe inspiring!
Cheers,
Paul
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- PhracturedBlue
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If the module is sold primarily as a JR/PPM module with an enclosure and antenna, it could be certified by the FCC. Devo folks would be able to remove the module from the package and install (and thus take any risk of FCC violation on themselves, just as they do with any RF mods today). Of course passing FCC compliance would probably cost $10k (if we get it right the 1st time, or more if we fail). I am not sure I could drum up enough of a market to cover those costs.
As far as your question of how-much assembly is 'enough': Here is whatSpark-fun says:
www.sparkfun.com/tutorials/398
In the end, the rules are not clear enough, which means the risk is too high for me to take on personally. Perhaps starting on LLC would help, but I'm not really sure you can start an LLC as the sole purpose to shield yourself from something you know may not be legal. Honestly, I don't want to find out.
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