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27 Jan 2014 18:06 #19290 by HappyHarry
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yes but how do you deal with all those uncommon use cases just now? do it manually of course, and i think it's not an unreasonable expectation to have to reprogram/change settings for a model if doing something like changing protocols.

as i said before if the channel/protocol mapping works at the outset of programming a model i think that should cover the expectation of new users to deviation, as this is what i see posted about in regards to the channel/protocol mapping.

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28 Jan 2014 04:41 #19302 by PhracturedBlue
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Ok, I think I've got everything mapped.

I chose to map the bargraphs, but I'm not really sure it is right.
The default setup has the bars shown as channel 1,2,3,4
After remapping this could become 3,2,1,4
which would mean that throttle stayed in the the 1st position. but I'm not sure that is desirable.

But other than that, I think everything should be working.

Well, except that I didn't change anything in the standard mixer, so that may not work as expected.

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28 Jan 2014 05:37 #19307 by WheresWaldo
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Wait a minute, why would I want the bargraphs reordered, if I put channel 3 in the third spot and Channel 1 in the first spot, I don't think I want them to change because I changed protocols. The channels don't actually change, it just what the receiver controls that changes.

Leaving it as is would add a visual indicator that the correct channel is moving when I move the stick now assigned to the throttle function.

In reality I don't think the page config should be changed at all if you are using the Advanced Mixer GUI. Much easier to see if something is set wrong if you leave it as is.

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28 Jan 2014 05:47 #19309 by PhracturedBlue
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I am pretty sure most people would expect the boxes to change, as well as toggles (though I don't think we have any protocols that change the gear location, so toggles are likely irrelevant). The bar graphs could go either way, and it mostly depends on what they are used for. Hence I'm interested in feedback.

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28 Jan 2014 05:58 #19311 by rbe2012
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The bars were one of the unsolved questions earlier. Personally I would not expect them to change. For me they are only a small picture of the channel monitor placed on the main screen.
On the other side I just expect the bar to move when I move the sticks. I can not perceive the expo applied, but dr limits and the effect of throttle hold. So effectively for me it's not really important where which channel is shown.

This is of course completely different for boxes and toggles, as stated above.

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28 Jan 2014 06:13 - 28 Jan 2014 06:47 #19316 by FDR
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Well, it depends on wether I have all 4 (or 8 ) bars on the main page.
If I do, then I wouldn't like it to change.
But I have a 2 channel car programmed, and only the throttle and rudder are displayed. That is the model I would like to change the rx in... ;)
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28 Jan 2014 06:17 #19317 by PhracturedBlue
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Well, we're not going to be able to get it right all the time, and it isn't particularly hard to update them as needed. I want to do the right thing most of the time. Skipping the bars is probably the best option. I'll give it some time and see how it goes.

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28 Jan 2014 06:56 #19319 by FDR
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Of course I can do it, I just told an example for both cases...

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28 Jan 2014 13:08 #19324 by RandMental
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I would not like the BARS to change - having spend a quite bit of time switching between Helis between Devo and Spektrum (DSM2) receivers I need channel 1 to be the first bar irrespective what it represents in the current protocol.

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28 Jan 2014 13:47 #19325 by FDR
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If I had to choose, I wouldn't touch the bars either...

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28 Jan 2014 14:56 #19327 by RandMental
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A further point against re-arranging the channels bars based on protocol - many receivers are marked ch1-6 (or 8,...) irrespective of what commands that channel carries to the model. To maintain at least some consistency between aliases and channel orders and ch sequences and receivers, keeping them in fixed 1...x sequence is the best option.

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28 Jan 2014 17:17 - 28 Jan 2014 17:18 #19332 by WheresWaldo
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Maybe this is overly simplistic but I always looked at it like this.
  • Mode is physical, tell me which stick is ratcheted and which are spring loaded.
  • Channels are channels, like on a radio dial, even a station that simply changes call letters would still be at the same location on the dial.
  • Protocols are what those channels control, aliased for human consumption (sometimes).
Last edit: 28 Jan 2014 17:18 by WheresWaldo.

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28 Jan 2014 19:38 - 28 Jan 2014 19:52 #19344 by VTdev
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Testing devo7e-v4.0.1-6a63c8e

6 Channel Orange Rcvr
DSM2
Mode 2 Devo 7e
Mixers for Elevons
Mixers for CAR
Tx output at default (10 mW)

Manual says it must be 150 mW for 7e.

In real model tests, range was only 20 feet.

Reset to 150 mW. Range was then as expected.

Current models/default.ini shows:

[radio]
protocol=DEVO
num_channels=8
fixed_id=123456
tx_power=10mW


Question -- can default be 150 mW?
Last edit: 28 Jan 2014 19:52 by VTdev.

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28 Jan 2014 19:48 - 28 Jan 2014 19:54 #19345 by VTdev
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I had thought the default was 150 mW in the released version but misremembered. it always was 10 mw. Guess I had changed it manually before.
Last edit: 28 Jan 2014 19:54 by VTdev.

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