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29 Jun 2013 16:26 #11576 by ave1
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Thank you all very much. I am not so sure I grasp it all as yet but, I have pitch and swash moves in all the correct directions and I think it may fly.

This model memory will always remember the advanced mode?

I will study you last reply and it is very telling. Wish I could discuss in person so I get it better.

Sorry for my impatience and thank you all very much. I must study this, not as fast as you guys are at learning this. 2 years to learn just to fly a pattern.

Best and thanks

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29 Jun 2013 16:35 #11577 by ave1
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error upon bind. How to reduce throttle to neg numbers please?

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29 Jun 2013 16:44 - 29 Jun 2013 16:44 #11578 by sbstnp
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ave1 wrote: error upon bind. How to reduce throttle to neg numbers please?


Throttle is usually -100 to 100. Try throttle trim all the way down. Use the channel monitor to check.

Devo 10 + 4in1
Spektrum Dx9
FrSky Taranis + TBS Crossfire
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29 Jun 2013 19:10 #11585 by FDR
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My best advise would be to study the user manual and this "how to" a few times:
www.deviationtx.com/forum/how-to/1226-ho...s-on-custom-firmware

...while you might need to use the CCPM for the flybarred helis, this writeup will help you understand the complex mixer.

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29 Jun 2013 19:32 #11586 by ave1
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A few times is correct. All my helis are FBL. And this one is SLT and FBL. I am so confused. I have read and up until now, I have never needed the advanced set-up and just can't understand, at this point

Thank you

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29 Jun 2013 20:05 #11590 by FDR
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Exactly that is why that "how to" is excellent, because the hardest thing is not to configure the advanced mixer, but to understand it.
So the main question is not "how", but "why"!
And Hexperience explained it quite well...

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29 Jun 2013 20:11 #11591 by ave1
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Thank you. I understand you. But, I did not just "jump" into this without reading.

Thank you so very much for your help.

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29 Jun 2013 22:21 #11598 by ave1
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I have read the suggested directions regarding FBL Heli and mixing..Multiple time.

Nothing I do, allows me to have both Ail and ELe.

I put all on simple. I rearranged the sources. I have looked above at those directions (albeit a bit different than a 12S) I think I should be able to understand and set the channels.


Nothing I do works.

Very frustrated.

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29 Jun 2013 22:29 #11599 by ave1
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Am I suppose to use the move up and down page to arrange the ch's and the "copy to" option prior to choosing the source from the next page? I can find no documentation as steps and obviously not as experienced as others here.

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29 Jun 2013 22:57 #11600 by PhracturedBlue
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I'm not clear on exactly what you are trying to do, but if you upload your model.ini and explain what doesn't work, I can tell you how to fix it.

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30 Jun 2013 04:52 #11614 by ave1
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Thank you and sorry for the delay. I can not assign the ch's properly.

I am using a Devo 10S. I am using an Anylink SLT. This is a 6 ch FBL Heli. PPM. The move up move down page? the order is changed again on the Mixer page so, I don't get that. Am I suppose to use "Copy to"?

I can eventually get the pitch and throttle on the correct stick. Or at least, I have before right now. When I assign ELE and Ail, not both will work, its either one or the other.

The 2 or 3 ini. files are because I have tried several different model memories just in case I adj. something I should not have adjusted.. In one of them or the other.

manual for heli: 1) Aile 2)ELEV 3)Thr 4)Rudd 5)GYRO 6) Pitch

And thank you. I am so lost. What should be easy for you and most others here, I just cant find the logic.
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30 Jun 2013 05:43 - 30 Jun 2013 05:43 #11615 by sbstnp
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You made several mistakes. I would explain them but I'm too tired, last night my son wouldn't sleep so I'm kind of a zombie right now.

Try the attached ini, don't fly with it just confirm that it works.


File Attachment:

File Name: helimax.ini
File Size:1 KB

Devo 10 + 4in1
Spektrum Dx9
FrSky Taranis + TBS Crossfire
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30 Jun 2013 05:46 #11616 by ave1
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TY

I can look and see what you did.

TY

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30 Jun 2013 06:24 #11618 by ave1
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Please do not write me back until u can. I can wait. All my other flyers are the standard interface and all FBL. I've had no issues for my simple usage. Till now. PPM.

I remain lost.

I installed your model The same thing but, I saw the settings you made and where you used D/R etc.. Yet, Only when I pull right stick , left or right, does the motor start. No correct swash movement on any stick: Ive just been sticking in random setting till I get the heli's swash movement close to right but thr remains elusive.

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30 Jun 2013 06:39 - 30 Jun 2013 06:43 #11619 by sbstnp
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I told you before use the channel monitor and write down which channel moves on which stick. Then report back.

I do not know the channel order for Tactic or if the PPM settings I gave you are correct.

Try the attached model, seems the protocol settings were not saved in the first I gave you.

If it doesn't work then we must figure out the order of channels and PPM settings (eventually), but I will need you to use the channel monitor.

Devo 10 + 4in1
Spektrum Dx9
FrSky Taranis + TBS Crossfire
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30 Jun 2013 06:54 #11621 by ave1
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The enclosed ini is getting close to correct. However, Ele will not reverse. NO matter what I do, also I don't know if rudder direction is correct, gain for gyro and throttle hold is not set.

This ini will show you chs?

ch 1 throttle
ch 2 ail
ch 3 ele
ch 4 rudder
ch 5 ? never moves
Ch 6 ? moves down when throttle move up.

I hope this is what you requested from me.

Ill try your model


TY TY

TY
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30 Jun 2013 07:03 #11622 by ave1
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Sorry I did not let you know the ch's.

Yours did the same as PB's (PB sent me one to help me also) No swash movement is correct and motor starts only when left or right movement on the right stick is made. Aile adj. starts the motor. All else is wrong.

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30 Jun 2013 09:14 - 30 Jun 2013 09:16 #11625 by sbstnp
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You are attacking the problem in the wrong way. Why did you bother with 9 point curves when your channels are mixed up?

Keep it simple.

The attached ini has only simple mixes so they are easy work on if needed. Keep the heli strapped down and then bind up and check channels. I hope you do have the knowledge to visually check if controls are working in the correct direction.

If the channel order is correct then the only things that could be wrong is gyro gain not being on channel 5 but on 7 and some reversal. Then we can work on dual rates and other stuff.

Edit:
And another thing, to check pitch don't look at how the servos move, but at the blades leading edge, if it rises with THR stick then all is right.

Devo 10 + 4in1
Spektrum Dx9
FrSky Taranis + TBS Crossfire
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30 Jun 2013 13:46 - 30 Jun 2013 13:47 #11629 by PhracturedBlue
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As sbstnp recommends, you definitely want to keep it simple until you have all channels working.
I'm not sure what you are doing with Ch5 but as it is currently setup it won't move.
Set it to expo-dr, and use mix or fmode as the source.

Sbstnb already did this in his model, but change the number of channels from '6' to '8' since your gyro may actually be on channel 7
Attach channel 7 to the other aux input. and set it as a simple input as well.

I'd provide a model, but I'm still confused. You mention you are using a '10S' which isn't a Devo Tx. your ini is for a devo12, so I guess this is what you have? You also seem to be using the nightly builds (that is fine, but I need to know since models are not backwards compatible)
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30 Jun 2013 14:07 #11632 by ave1
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I use a 12S. Sorry for the confusion, Typo. Yes nightly builds.

sbstnb model did work after I reversed the Elev and Pitch ch.

Even keeping this "simple." I fight to understand TX setup in advanced mode.

How was throttle hold accomplished? It does work well.

And thank you

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